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    Moderating Rules

    - These are rules ( for Moderators ) posted by Don McRitchie ( over at LHF, back in May 2005 ) when it first got its' crew of mods .
    - I post them here because this forum doesn't seem to have a similar document available to offer guidance to its' marshalls .
    - These are ( common sense ) rules ( for Mods ) that many of us ( perhaps naively ) assume are already in place.


    Quote Originally Posted by Don McRitchie_at_LHF
    Moderating Rules
    Moderators will only intervene if they discover violations of the forum guidelines. In general, this means:

    1. Dealing with threads in inappropriate forums.
    2. Dealing with inflammatory posts.
    3. Dealing with name calling or ad hominem attacks.
    4. Dealing with violations of intellectual property.

    The following actions are available to the moderators to deal with these issues, depending on the type and severity of the violation.

    1. Issuing the subject party a reminder or warning about a potential or existing violation of the forum guidelines.
    2. Moving inappropriately located threads to their proper location
    3. Closing a thread to further input
    4. Deleting posts if deemed a serious breach of the forum guidelines
    5. Deleting an entire thread if deemed a serious breach of the forum guidelines
    6. Banning a member.


    The first recourse for a moderator should always be to try and work out any perceived infraction of the guidelines with the responsible member. This is preferably done through PM’s as opposed to an open forum message to that member. However, there may be occasions where an open post is most appropriate, specifically if it involves infractions by more than one person in a given thread.

    If a moderator deems that a thread should be moved, the originator of that thread must always be contacted to explain the action through a PM. Whether this occurs in advance or after the fact depends on how clear cut the violation is. For example someone posting a “for sale” notice in the “General” forum is in obvious violation of the posting guidelines. Such a post would be moved directly and the originator would sent a PM to notify him of the move and why it occurred.

    Where it is less clear that a thread is off topic, then the originator should be sent a PM in advance of any action to indicate why it is perceived to be in violation of the guidelines and offering an opportunity for input from the originator. The final decision to move or keep the thread will be the moderator’s.

    Closing a thread to further input is a fairly drastic measure and should only be used if it is apparent that continuing the discussion has a significant risk of escalating violations. The moderator taking this action must post a final message in the thread explaining that it is now closed and why. The moderator should also let it be known that questions about this action can be made in the “Forum Issues” board or in a direct PM to the moderator in question.

    Deleting posts and threads are the most serious actions a moderator can take short of banning a member. The actions themselves have the potential to inflame members and discussions. Because of this, the first recourse of a moderator should be to ask a member in violation to edit or delete the offending post themselves. After 24hrs of posting, members no longer have editing access to their messages. In such a case, the moderator should request permission to edit or delete an offending post. If permission is not granted, the moderator has the final decision on whether to proceed with the edit or deletion. The originator must be contacted again if these actions are taken and given notice that they have occurred. For all posts edited or deleted by the moderator, the post field labeled “Reason for edit/deletion” must be filled out by that moderator.

    Posts can be deleted or edited without prior notice by the moderator if it is obvious that waiting for notification has the potential to escalate a situation. For example, profane name calling will be dealt with immediately. Violations of intellectual property rights (posting proprietary or copyrighted materials) will also be dealt with immediately when brought to a moderator’s attention. In these cases, the originator must be notified that these actions have been taken.

    All deletions by the moderators are “soft deletions”, meaning they are not physically removed. These posts can therefore be “undeleted”. If a member feels that his post has been unfairly deleted by a moderator, they can make an appeal to the Administrator to have the post reviewed. The Administrator will consult with all of the moderators to make a final decision. If, in hindsight, the post is deemed to not be in violation, it will be restored. Otherwise it will remain deleted.

    Deleting a thread is an order of magnitude more serious than deleting a post since it generally involves messages from numerous members, and very often innocent bystanders. This action shall only be taken if it the infractions cannot be dealt with by deleting or editing specific posts. For example, if a sufficient number of posts must be deleted so that it results in the loss of coherency of a thread, then the thread may be deleted. As a further example, if the thread topic itself is in violation of the forum rules, then the entire thread may be deleted. All thread deletions must be accompanied by a new post by the moderator in the “Forum Issues” board with notice that the deletion has occurred, the rationale for the deletion, and an offer to discuss an appeal. The entire moderating team will decide any appeal requests to restore a deleted thread.

    Banning is the most serious action that can be taken on the forum. Banning can only be performed by the administrator with concurrence of the moderators. Banning can be temporary or permanent depending on the infraction. For example, physical threats will result in an immediate permanent ban. Spammers will also be subject to an immediate permanent ban. Lesser offences will be dealt with on a case by case basis by the entire moderating team. In general, banning will be limited to repeated, flagrant abuses by a member or abuse so egregious that no action short of banning would suffice. In the case of repeated abuse, the moderators should first warn the offender that continued violations have the potential to result in a ban

    In every case, a banned member will be sent an email notifying them of the ban's existence, the duration and the reason. The member may appeal to the moderating team to reconsider. Bans will only be reconsidered if the member can demonstrate to the satisfaction of the entire moderating team why a ban would be inappropriate for the circumstances.

    As a final word, it should be obvious in reading through the above that openness, communication and understanding are the guiding principles of moderation for this forum. For this reason, the moderators must never act without making the impacted parties aware of their actions. They must always give reasons for their actions and opportunities for recourse.

    Regards ( Don McRitchie )
    - FWIW, I'd like to see any new Moderator read these & post agreement with ( or objection to ) each line item, as well as each paragraph.

    - So far ( from what I see here ), the whole concept of "moderation" is off to quite a rocky start .

    <> EarlK

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    Re: Moderating Rules

    Todd is the only mod, right?

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    Re: Moderating Rules

    No,

    John ( AB ) is now a mod .

    He's taken it upon himself to step back in time & edit posts ( his & others that were made before he became a mod. ) .

    This has ( quite obviously ) severely agitated those involved .

    <> Earl

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    Re: Moderating Rules

    OK. I didn't know.

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    Re: Moderating Rules

    OK I admit this is all new to me as I have never done this before,having said that Thanks Earl for posting those which I will read.

    No ! What I edited was Brads post that I feel is getting out of bounds !

    ( Bite Me and the horse you rode in on and in that order) Now I feel that shouldn't be posted or directed at anyone .

    Earl I removed one comment and one comment only.I removed just that line and the following qoute and deleted MY POSTS !! If removing that comment has agitated some folks so be it !

    Do you really think that has anything to do with Altec lansing ? I have nothing personal against Brad but quite obviously he does towards me.C'mon gentleman this has been going on for quite some time.

    I have nothing personal against Brad, I wish he felt the same.I just removed his offensive comment directed at me.

    I admit I'm learning this on the fly.My intentions are only honorable ! If the posts are kept On-Topic there would be no issue at all ! I'm not here to offend anyone, just to keep the BS off the board.So please bare with me Thank You !


    Addendum: I have no doubt even if i did nothing some folks would still be agitated with the new Mod.


    FWIW Earl everyone can edit their own posts so that's nothing new. I edited that one comment and subsequent qoutes of that comment ONLY ! I never post comments like that about anyone.As far as I'm concerned it is over ! I need to keep working on something more important scanning docs into .pdf's for a library.That hopefully we can get done here ! If anyone have any suggestions I'm all ears.Please don't hesitate to send a PM.I just would like to do what's best for the site and all it's members.
    Last edited by Altec Best; August 17th, 2011 at 04:41 PM. Reason: More Info

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    Re: Moderating Rules

    Obviously I think it a huge error in judgement to not start with a clean slate by first declaring your intentions ( and then implemeting change ) .

    - ( ie ; by saying " From this time forward now that I'm a moderator, there will be no more " yada yada yada, etc. " under my watch ) .
    - Retro-active "policing" is not the way forward .
    - Unfortunately, from this perspective, those "edits" appear to be nothing more than thinly disguised payback towards a current protaganist .

    - The "appearance of your actions" is just as important as any actual action taken .

    - It didn't have to start this way // rather than take the "obvious high-road" ( while laying out your intentions ) / you chose a different tack .

    <. EarlK

    PS ; offline now , to go cut the lawn .

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    Re: Moderating Rules

    AB you forgot to mention the added commentary on Brad's post when he stated he was leaving....... uncalled for!!!!

    Also, the first time you edited your post in my thread, as a Mod, you turned it into another rebuke of Brad.

    While I certainly appreciate your willingness to contribute to the collection/preservation of Altec Lansing, you are not the person I'd want for a moderator. Any argument I've had here has been with YOU! The attitude you display when you disagree with someone is one of looking down on that person as unknowing, foolish, or stupid.
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    Re: Moderating Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Audio_by_Goodwill View Post
    AB you forgot to mention the added commentary on Brad's post when he stated he was leaving....... uncalled for!!!!

    Also, the first time you edited your post in my thread, as a Mod, you turned it into another rebuke of Brad.

    While I certainly appreciate your willingness to contribute to the collection/preservation of Altec Lansing, you are not the person I'd want for a moderator. Any argument I've had here has been with YOU! The attitude you display when you disagree with someone is one of looking down on that person as unknowing, foolish, or stupid.
    I removed them,my edits and posts.When I get back I will remove all my posts from your thread. Well I never start it with Brad so you would have to ask him why he starts with me.I guess I'm not supposed to do anything !

    Oh yeah ! you took it upon yourself awhile back when I was talking with Nat about shipping that I was talking about you.Which we all know was not the case.This is why comments like this need to be nipped in the bud because they just snowball. DON'T THEY !

    This is done as far as I'm concerned !

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    Re: Moderating Rules

    At the risk of being "me too" editing any posts made BEFORE someone became a mod would be SEVERELY overstepping bounds.

    Editing history is a horrible practice, approved by 10 out of 10 totalitarian governments.

    I don't know what the fight is about, and don't want to really get involved.

    But if anything other than current threads is gonna be "retromodded" I'm outa here too.
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    Re: Moderating Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Altec Best View Post
    I removed them,my edits and posts.When I get back I will remove all my posts from your thread. Well I never start it with Brad so you would have to ask him why he starts with me.I guess I'm not supposed to do anything !

    Oh yeah ! you took it upon yourself awhile back when I was talking with Nat about shipping that I was talking about you.Which we all know was not the case.This is why comments like this need to be nipped in the bud because they just snowball. DON'T THEY !

    This is done as far as I'm concerned !
    You further demonstrate in this response why you should not be a moderator, in my opinion.

    Edit: To further flesh out what I'm referring to because no ones a mind reader.......

    Your posts/attitudes/actions are already pre-approved. You refer to Brad as starting something. He gave a mild reaction (one line) to your post telling me that I was doing it wrong. You in turn went ballistic and fired back with a paragraph or so.

    I did not "take it upon myself"....... every thread here is public (within the forum). If I recall correctly (I don't even know where that thread is...... or if it even still exists in it's original form) I commented and you then tore my comments apart, and an argument ensued. You can't legitimately claim that you were not addressing me, or talking about me, when your response addresses the very thing I just said. If you wanted a private conversation, take it to PM.

    You respond to everything out if emotion....... and you're always right. I know that becasue all I have to do is ask, and you'll tell me!
    Last edited by Audio_by_Goodwill; August 17th, 2011 at 06:16 PM.
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